ROBERT TAYLOR (great, great, great grandfather) born October 19th 1810 (according to a family Bible in the possession of the descendants of Elizabeth Jane Taylor). In the 1851 census he gives Sidmouth, Devon as his birthplace and in the 1861 census gives Aylesbeare, Devon. Which was it?.
I am begining to wonder if his birthdate in the Bible may be wrong as I have been unable to match him with any
Taylor family in Devon.

1 ROBERT TAYLOR b: 19 Oct 1810 Sidmouth, Devon
.. +ELIZABETH CLAPP b: 08 Dec 1813 Sidbury, Devon
........2JOSEPH TAYLOR b: 13 Mar 1838 Harcombe, Sidbury, Devon
.......... +ELIZABETH FARRANT b: 17 Jul 1833 Rockebeare, Devon
............. 3 ROBERT GEORGE TAYLOR b:1863 Bristol.
................. +MATILDA LUKE b: 1862 Clifton, Bristol
...................... 4 SIDNEY GEORGE TAYLOR b: 14 Feb 1895 Bristol
.......................... +LILIAN GIBBONS b: 07 Mar 1897 Bristol
.............................5 NORMAN SIDNEY TAYLOR b: 30 Dec 1926 Bristol
................................ +JOAN MARGARET CREESE b: 1931 Bristol
................................ 6 PAUL b: 1963 Bristol

On June 12th 1859 his daughter Mary Ann Taylor married George Herbert at St James, Holloway, Islington, London. On this certificate she gave her father's occupation as Farmer.

Robert died August 21st 1862 at Sidmouth, Devon after an accident where he injured his foot and he died about two days later of Tetanus. Was there an inquest? His daughter Elizabeth perhaps nursed him and was present at his death. He was the son of UNKNOWN TAYLOR (possibly Robert) TAYLOR and UNKNOWN TAYLOR (possibly Mary) TAYLOR (nee UNKNOWN). I am certain he is a member of the local Taylor families which have been in the area for hundreds of years. I would like to know more about the people whose name I have inherited.

Taylors of Devon

In 1834 he married ELIZABETH CLAPP daughter of JOHN CLAPP and MARY CLAPP (nee IRISH) of Harcombe, Sidbury, Devon. (according to his daughter Elizabeth Jane Wise's family Bible) at Sidbury, Devon which isn't correct. Did they marry? where did they marry? Sidmouth? not at all?

According to the IGI a Robert Taylor was baptised 25th December 1810 at Aylesbeare, Devon son of Wiliam and Mary Taylor But, they then have a later son Robert Taylor 29th August 1813 Aylesbeare, Devon. So they can't be his parents. Although this couple are living in Sidmouth in 1841

1841 Census Buckton Farm, Sidbury, Devon Robert Taylor 31 Ag Lab ............................................ Born in county Elizabeth Taylor 28 ...................................................... Born in county Mary Ann Taylor 5 ........................................................ Born in county Joseph Taylor 2 ............................................................ Born in county Robert Gosling 63 Carpenter .................................... Born in county Mary Gosling 67 ............................................................ Born in county Sarah Batting 23 lace maker ..................................... Born in county William Daniel 18 Apprenctice Carpenter ............... Born in county James Irish 26 Blacksmith .......................................... Born in county (related to Elizabeth Taylor) Mary Irish 20 .................................................................... Born in county Joseph Connett 25 Ag lab ......................................... Born in county Ann Connett 25 ............................................................. Born in county Mary Connett 3 .............................................................. Born in county John Connett 1 .............................................................. Born in county Mary Connett 30 (FS?) ................................................. Born in county Thomas Griffin 50 Farmer ............................................Born in county Elizabeth Griffin 45 ....................................................... Born in county Ann 18 .............................................................................. Born in county Clement 16 ...................................................................... Born in county Elizabeth 15 .................................................................... Born in county Francis 14 ....................................................................... Born in county Thomas 12 ...................................................................... Born in county Sarah 4 ............................................................................ Born in county Thomas Cawley 25 Ag Lab .......................................... Born in county Nehemiah Vicary 19 Ag Lab ......................................... Born in county Thos Tremelett 18 Ag lab .............................................. Born in county -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HO107; Civil Parish: Sidbury; County: Devon; Enumeration District: 22; Page: 9; Line: 18; GSU roll: 241304. In 1841 the Taylors were living very near the Clapp and Irish families Elizabeth's family.

Buckton Hill and Farm © Derek Harper Source

There several interesting buildings in the parish. The Porch House in Sidford is dated 1574, and there are other houses worth looking for in this village, and on the road to Sidbury village. Manstone Farm has some considerable remains of old work, some of medieval date. Sand Barton, 1 m. NE. of the church, is first mentioned c. 1175. The present house was built by Rowland Huyshe in 1594-1600 and is a good example of a late Tudor mansion. Court Hall has some Elizabethan work. Buckton and Harcombe farms are both mentioned c. 1200 in the and chapter archives at Exeter. Source

1851 Census 56 Old Fore Street, Sidmouth Honiton, Devonshire Robert TAYLOR Head M 40 M Parish Labourer .................................... Sidmouth, Devon Elizabeth TAYLOR Wife M 37 F Lace Maker............................................ Sidmouth, Devon Joseph TAYLOR Son - 13 M Errand Boy.................................................. Sidmouth, Devon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PRO Reference: HO/107/1864 Folio: 433 Page: 14 FHL Film: 0221012 57 Old Fore Street, Sidmouth Honiton, Devonshire James Godfrey Head M 24 Plumber Tin plate worker journeyman ..... Devon, Sidmouth Emma Godfrey Wife M Milliner ....................................................................... Devon, Sidmouth Mary Ann Godfrey Daughter 1 ....................................................................... Devon, Sidmouth

At 54 Old Fore St there is a Catherine Taylor aged 68 a fish dealer born Cornwall.

1851 the description of the area the Taylors were living in.

All that part of the parish of Sidmouth which lies west of Fore St Road from Cawsey's London Inn to Mill Cross and south of the road leading from Mill Cross to Mr Carslake's to the London Inn .......... Church St including ..... Seafield Place, Old Forestreet, Ebdon's Court, Church Lane and Coburg Terrace.

1861 Census 46 Eastern Road, Sidmouth, Devon Robert Taylor Head Widower 48 Agricultural Labourer ..................... Aylesbeare, Devon Elizabeth J Taylor daughter Unmarried 19 Braid Worker ........................ Sidbury, Devon --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG9; Piece: 1379; Folio: 95; Page: 10; GSU roll: 542804

Why does he give Aylesbeare this census return? - he has previously said Sidmouth, Devon the two parishes are close(ish)

On the next page of the 1861 Census about three households along is a very possible contender for father of Robert Taylor another Robert Taylor and Elizabeth his wife is his second wife. This Robert is a widower in 1851 living with a niece with the surname Bennett in Dorset.

1861 49 Eastern Town Road, Sidmouth Robert Taylor Head Married 81 House Holder & retired Plasterer ........ Devon, Sidmouth Elizabeth Taylor Wife Married 69 ....................................................................... Devon, Dawlish -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG9; Piece: 1379; Folio: 95; Page: 10; GSU roll: 542804

Children of ROBERT TAYLOR and ELIZABETH TAYLOR (nee CLAPP) are:

(1) Mary Ann Taylor

Born on August 16, 1835, Greenhead, Sidbury, Devon. In 1841 she was living at Sidbury with her parents and brother Joseph.Mary ann was the blind gt aunt that my gt aunts and grandfather Sidney Taylor knew so well as children in the 1890's and early 1900's in Clifton Wood, Bristol.

Mary Ann could identify people by the sound of their footsteps as they walked up the hall (at 5 Southernhay Crescent, Cliftonwood). She was blinded so the story goes by looking at the sun whilst helping a neighbour put out her washing in London (sometime between 1851 and 1861 as by 1861 census she is described as blind). Mary ann probably died in Cliftonwood, Bristol. What is perplexing is that the aunts always called her Mary ann Wise. Actually she was Mary ann Herbert.

On June 12th 1859 at St James, Holloway, Islington she married George Herbert a Coachman and son of John and Hannah Herbert of Hatfield, Hertfordshire (his father was a carpenter)

Their witnesses were William Pain and Mary Bailey It was Mary ann's sister gt aunt Elizabeth Jane Taylor who had married into the Wise family. The aunts did own a bible which had been given to a Mary ann Wise by a Mr. Robinson in Bristol in the 1850's which further adds to the mystery.

Mary ann Herbert (nee Taylor)

1851 Census 72 Old Fore Street, Sidmouth, Devon Chas E Farrant Head M 37 Upholsterer employing 30 men and women....Devon, Sidmouth Ann Farrant Wife M 36 ............................................................................................... Devon, Sidbury Chas H Farrant Son 8 ............................................................................................ Devon, Sidmouth John C Farrant Son 7 ............................................................................................ Devon, Sidmouth Mary Farrant Dau 6 ................................................................................................. Devon, Sidmouth Ann Farrant Dau 5 ................................................................................................... Devon, Sidmouth Emly Farrant Dau 3 ................................................................................................. Devon, Sidmouth Mary Carslake Visitor Widow 67 Farmer Widow ................................................ Devon, Talaton Sarah Basten Servant Unmarried 55 ...................................................................... Devon, Ottery MARY ANN TAYLOR Servant Unmarried 15 ....................................................... Devon, Sidbury ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HO107; Piece: 1864; Folio: 435; Page: 18; GSU roll: 221012

The same street as her parents are living. Could these Farrants be related to Mary ann's future S in L gt, gt grandmother Elizabeth Taylor (nee Farrant)?

On June 12th 1859 Mary Ann Taylor married George Herbert at St James, Islington, London

1861 Census 35 Back Lane, Wooton, Staffordshire Mary ann Herbert Wife Married 26 Coachman's Wife Born .... Devonshire, Sidbury (Blind) Margaret Herbert Sister in Law 28 Unm Dress Maker ....................... Hertfordshire, Northam --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG9/25/20

At the same time her husband was residing in london

1861 Census 32 Three Kings Yard, St Georges, Hanover Square, London George Herbert Married 32 Coachman Domestic Service Born .. Hertfordshire, Northam John Long Servant Unmarried 18 Groom ..................................................... Somerset, Norton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ RG9; Piece: 43; Folio: 37; Page: 33; GSU roll: 542562

1871 Census 4 Cheltenham Mews, Knightsbridge, Belgravia, St Georges, Hanover Square, London George Herbert Head Married 42 Coachman Private ......... Hertfordshire, Northam Mary ann Herbert Wife Married 35 ------------------------------------ Devon, Sidbury (Blind) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG10; Piece: 114; Folio: 18; Page: 27; GSU roll: 838766

1881 Census 7 Earl Street, Chelsea, London George Herbert Head Married 52 Coachman ............................. Hertfordshire, Northam M A Herbert Wife Married 47 ............................................................ Devon, Sidbury (Blind) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG11; Piece: 87; Folio: 47; Page: 34; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341019

1891Census Parish of Holy Trinity Chelsea London. George Herbert 62 Coachman Groom ..................................... Northam Hertfordshire Mary ann Herbert 55 ..................................................................... Sidbury, Devon (Blind) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chelsea North 22 RG12/62 Folio 74 Page 3

1901 Census 5 Southernhay Crescent, Clifton Wood, Bristol Joseph Taylor 63 H Carpenter and Joiner ....................... Buckton, Sidbury, Devon Elizabeth Taylor 68 W ......................................................................... Rockbeare, Devon Lillian Emily Taylor 25 D ................................................................. Clifton Wood, Bristol Mary ann Herbert widow? 65 ............................... Greenhead, Sidbury, Devon (Blind) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG13; Piece: 2366; Folio: 79; Page: 4

(2) JOSEPH TAYLOR (for more details)

Born March 13th , 1838 in Harcombe, near Sidbury, Devon. Baptised April 1^st 1838 at Sidbury, Devon. Died May 4th 1911 at Cliftonwood, Bristol; married ELIZABETH FARRANT June 30th , 1861 at St George's Brandon Hill, Bristol. In the Taylor family Bible, which is now either in the ownership of the Yeo family or the descendants of Elizabeth Jane Taylor the date is given as 1860 to cover up the slight hurry in which they married.



Joseph Taylor in his garden at Cliftonwood, Bristol.

1841 Census Buckton Farm, Sidbury, Devon Robert Taylor 31 Ag Lab ............................................................... Born in county Elizabeth Taylor 28 .......................................................................... Born in county Mary Ann Taylor 5 ........................................................................... Born in county JOSEPH TAYLOR 2 ........................................................................ Born in county ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HO107; Civil Parish: Sidbury; County: Devon; Enumeration District: 22; Page: 9; Line: 19; GSU roll: 241304.

Also living at Buckton Farm are James and Mary Irish who are relations of Ellizabeth's

1851 Census Old Fore Street, Sidmouth, Honiton, Devon Robert Taylor Head M 40 M Parish Labourer ......................... Sidmouth, Devon Elizabeth Taylor Wife M 37 F Lace Maker ................................... Sidbury, Devon JOSEPH TAYLOR Son - 13 M Errand Boy .................................. Sidbury, Devon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ PRO Reference: HO/107/1864 Folio: 433 Page: 14 FHL Film: 0221012

1861 Census New Street, Weston Super Mare, Somerset James Fisher Head M 75 Owner of Cottages ........................ Somerset, Wick St Lawrence Mary Elizabeth Fisher Wife Married 64 ........................................................ Essex, Colchester JOSEPH TAYLOR Lodger Unm Carpenter.................................................... Devon, Sidmouth Levi Gibbs 24 ...... Lodger Unm Carpenter.................................................... Devon, Sidmouth ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG9; Piece: 1673; Folio: 25; Page: 44; GSU roll: 542849

1861 the marriage certiicate states that Joseph is living at Woodwell Crescent, Hotwells, Bristol. Elizabeth Farrant gives her abode as
Limekiln Lane, Bristol. Both very near the bottom of Jacob Wells Road, Bristol, It appears they married in a slight hurry ! as their daughter Elizabeth Ann Farrant Taylor was born soon after.

1871 Census 3 Ellenborough Place, Cliftonwood, Bristol JOSEPH TAYLOR 33 H Carpenter ............. Sidbury, Devon Elizabeth Taylor 38 W ............................... Rockbeare, Devon Robert G Taylor 8 S ........................................... Clifton, Bristol Frederick W Taylor 4 S ..................................... Clifton, Bristol --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG10; Piece: 2539; Folio: 44; Page: 7; GSU roll: 835261

1872-1875 the Taylor family are residing at 3 Ambra Vale, Cliftonwood, Bristol

1881 Census 4 Ambra Vale South, Cliftonwood, Bristol JOSEPH TAYLOR Head M 45 Carpenter Joiner .................. Sidbury, Devon Elizabeth Taylor Wife 48 ...................................................... Rockbeare, Devon Robert G Taylor Son 18 Printer .................................................. Clifton, Bristol Frederick W Taylor Son 14 Photographer ............................... Clifton, Bristol Lilian E Taylor Dau 5 ..................................................................... Clifton, Bristol -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG11; Piece: 2479; Folio: 66; Page: 52; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341597

1883 of 4 Ambra Vale Road South, Cliftonwood

1891

1901 Census 5 Southernhay Crescent, Cliftonwood, Bristol JOSEPH TAYLOR 63 H Carpenter and Joiner ....................... Buckton, Sidbury, Devon Elizabeth Taylor 68 W............................................................. Rockbeare, nr Exeter, Devon Lillian Emily Taylor 25 D Dressmaker ................................................. Cliftonwood, Bristol Mary Ann Herbert 65 S ................................................ Greenhead, Sidbury, Devon (Blind) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG13; Piece: 2366; Folio: 79; Page: 4

(3) Elizabeth Jane Taylor

Born February 21st, 1842 at Sidbury, Devon; 1851. Elizabeth married John Wise on March 22nd 1880 at Reading, Berkshire. He was born July 12th 1834 at Wokingham; and died (six months after being knocked down by a cow) November 20th 1896.



Elizabeth Jane Wise (nee Taylor) in middle and old age with her grandson

John and Elizabeth Jane Wise (nee Taylor) had one son, Arthur Henry Wise who was born abt 1880 at Wokingham, Berkshire. Elizabeth died March 1920 at 263 Broadway, Bexley and was buried in Heath Cemetery, Bexley.
In 1841 Elizabeth seems to be living with (or staying with) John Irish aged 60 who is her great uncle (a brother of her grandmother Mary Clapp) (nee Irish) Elizabeth Jane Taylor had her own Family Bible which gave details of her parents and their birth dates and the falsified or mis-informed marriage date. The Bible is still owned by her descendants.

1851 Census March, Sidmouth, Devon John IRISH Head W 60 Pauper ............................. Salcombe-DEV ELIZABETH TAYLOR Niece 9 Scholar ..................... Sidbury-DEV --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HO107; Piece: 1864; Folio: 382; Page: 27; GSU roll: 221012

John Irish is brother of Elizabeth's grandmother Mary Clapp (nee Irish) seems a bit odd that she was staying at her gt uncles.
Why? poverty? was she a servant?

1861 Census 46 Eastern Road, Sidmouth, Devon Robert Taylor Head Widower 48 Agricultural Labourer ........................... Ailsbeare, Devon ELIZABETH J TAYLOR daughter Unmarried 19 Braid Worker .................. Sidbury, Devon ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG9; Piece: 1379; Folio: 95; Page: 10; GSU roll: 542804.

Robert Taylor died the next year after accidently injuring his foot which turned septic

1871 Census Galley Hill, Crondall, Hampshire George E D Devitre Head M 37 Clergyman without care of souls............. East Indies, British Subject Maria D Devitre Wife M 45 Vicars Wife ...................................................................... Kensington, Middlesex Denis F D DevitreSon 4 Son ......................................................................................... Weston, Hertfordshire Mary L Baker Servant Unm 32 Nurse Domestic Servant .................................................. Lewes, Sussex ELIZABETH J TAYLOR Servant Unm 29 Cook .................................................................... Sidbury, Devon Meriam Hatch Servant Unm 24 Parlour Maid .................................................. Cookham Dean, Berkshire Frances E Waters Servant Unm 19 House Maid .......................................................... Broadcliffe, Devon --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG10; Piece: 1230; Folio: 53; Page: 10; GSU roll: 827830

1881 Census Mays Cottages, London Road, Wokingham, Berkshire John Wise Head Married 46 Postman ................................ Berkshire, Wokingham ELIZABETH WISE Wife Married 38 ......................................... Devonshire, Sidbury Albert Wise Son ...............11mths ....................................... Berkshire, Wokingham Julia Wise Sister Unm ...... 53 occupation NN ..................... Berkshire, Wokingham ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG11; Piece: 1310; Folio: 86; Page: 19; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341318

1891 Census 1 London Road, Wokingham, Berkshire John Wise Head Married 56 Rural Postman .............................. Berkshire, Wokingham ELIZABETH J WISE Wife Married 49............................................. Devonshire, Harcombe Arthur H Wise Son 10 Scholar........................................................ Berkshire, Wokingham Mary Ann Wise Sister S 53 Living on own Means ..................... Berkshire, Wokingham Harry Harvey Lodger S 43 Printer Compositor................................... Essex, Colchester ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ RG12; Piece: 1000; Folio 3; Page 1; GSU roll: 6096110.

1901 Census 2 Osborne Road, Wokingham, Berkshire ELIZABETH WISE Head Widow 59 ........................................................................ Devon, Sidbury Mary A Wise Sister in Law S 63 Living on own means ........................ Berkshire, Wokingham Harry Harvey Boarder S 53 Printers Compositor .......................................... Essex, Colchester Lewis J Crook Boarder S 36 Carpenter & Joiner ................................ Devon, Berry Pomeroy Benjamin Theobald Boarder S 22 Schoolmaster ......................................... Essex, Maningtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG13; Piece: 1154; Folio: 65; Page: 22